Economics & Ectos! - Guild Wars Forums

Big.Wayne · Dec 21, 2005, 02:32 AM // 02:32

Greetings,

One of the things that I like about Guild Wars is the way there is a kinda virtual stock market, with prices on materials rising and falling.

I been quietly beaver???ing away on my ecto collection for a month or two, and no I don't have a solo farmer monk, in fact I have never found one single ecto ever!, so I have been buying them for approx 12-13K each

After the last big update (AoE Flee!) I was wondering what would happen to the price of ectos?. I have not studied any form of economics before, but I have some basic common sense and understand a little about supply and demand etc. .

My *personal* thoughts at the time of the last update was that ecto (and shard) prices would fall, reason being that solo (griffon) farming was now trashed and therefore a steady stream of gold/plat were no longer available, and therefore people wouldn't have as much money to throw around. .

I spoke to one of my mates in real life (who also plays a little GW and WoW) who works in the money markets (FX), I explained to him the situation and it was his guess that the prices on Ecto would *rise* because now there were harder to *manufacture* (farm) since the update. .

Now I have seen Ectos sink in price to about 10-11k ish and I am not sure why?

Some people have mentioned something about a *price reset* where the price of ectos were lowered by A-Net to 250gp of something? Is this true or just some web-legend?

Has the demand for Fissure armour slowed down so people no longer need as many ecto/shards?

Did the drop rate for ectos suddenly increase (tweak by A-net?)

Thanks in advance for any useful replies/comments, just trying to understand the *variables* involved

Malevolent Anarchy · Dec 21, 2005, 02:44 AM // 02:44

I have no idea but now the price is falling below 10 per, its hard to find a buyer for 10k+ per ecto right now, but I wonder if the introduction of new classes will significantly effect the price, i mean its 2 whole new sets of fissure armour and how many people will play as the new characters...

raindrops · Dec 21, 2005, 02:44 AM // 02:44

I think that the closer we get to the release of chapter 2, the more you'll see the value of ectos drop. Right now, I think people are selling off their ectos and putting the gold into other items, hoping that they will increase in value with chapter 2.

When I buy ectos these days, it's only temporarily for a trade of more than 100k.

Valerius · Dec 21, 2005, 02:58 AM // 02:58

perfect time to be buying FoW armor i'd say

and yes... there was a market reset by ANeT awhile back... i'm talking 3-4 months ago... everything started off as 100g at the traders... including Sup Vigs/Absorb... ecto/shards/rubies/sapphires... many became millionares in minutes :P

eom · Dec 21, 2005, 03:53 AM // 03:53

heh...ask your buddy about liquidity.

has the price declined gradually over a month, or so, or was there a big dip in the last week?
because there's a 17 page thread you might want to skim.

ShadowStorm · Dec 21, 2005, 04:10 AM // 04:10

I think with the last patch (The AoE patch) A-Net made a few unlisted tweaks to the drop rates in an effort to reduce the prices of certain uber-expensive items. People have been reporting finding more and more black dyes and ectos since the patch was released. More ectos to go around means the price falls. Demand remains constant while Supply increases. I attributed the price drop to that fact of economics.

I've also noticed the price of Sup Vigors droping too. Before the patch, they were hovering around 70K, now they're down to 45/47K. I think they did the same thing with the Sup Absorbs, but the Sup Absorbs are so high that everyone is keeping them away from the traders so they can make a few extra K selling to other players.

Nater · Dec 21, 2005, 04:16 AM // 04:16

Um, didn't you give the solution yourself? AoE nerfed Griffon farming...

So ya really think those ppl just QUIT farming? Look at how many 55 Monk + Necro SS teams are in ToA now. These people are just farming the UW more, hence there's more ecto's.

My guess anyways.

kimo the healer · Dec 21, 2005, 07:57 AM // 07:57

My initial theory after Nov 10th nerf was that ectos would rise.
Even today, it's alot more difficult to farm for ectos as it was before nov 10th.
Hence, ectos should go up.

But one thing we don't realize are people playing this game professionally.
Who knows how many ectos they have harvested before nov 10th.
Now that Chapter 2 is coming out and hints of ectos being phased out, they want to get rid of their stock.
Using this logic, I would assume ecto prices would continue to drop.

Has anyone noticed the people selling ectos in toa/la/ascalon/droknars?
If you don't know where prices of ectos/shards are heading, look to them.
Like it or not, they control the market.

sixdartbart · Dec 21, 2005, 08:30 AM // 08:30

Solo Griffon farming trashed???
Pop into Augury Rock international dis1 sometime and look at the sweat shop monks streaming out the door.
It is really a funny site to see and maybe someone can tell them about the farming being trashed.

Big.Wayne · Dec 21, 2005, 12:51 PM // 12:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valerius

perfect time to be buying FoW armor i'd say

and yes... there was a market reset by ANeT awhile back... i'm talking 3-4 months ago... everything started off as 100g at the traders... including Sup Vigs/Absorb... ecto/shards/rubies/sapphires... many became millionares in minutes :P

Hi, oh I see, well that was some time ago, I heard that this was more recent, so I wonder if some people just stood there and bought like 1000 ectos? and are now dumping them as prices go down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eom

heh...ask your buddy about liquidity.

has the price declined gradually over a month, or so, or was there a big dip in the last week?
because there's a 17 page thread you might want to skim.

17 Page thread? which one is that then? and what do I need to know about *liquidity*?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowStorm

I think with the last patch (The AoE patch) A-Net made a few unlisted tweaks to the drop rates in an effort to reduce the prices of certain uber-expensive items. People have been reporting finding more and more black dyes and ectos since the patch was released. More ectos to go around means the price falls. Demand remains constant while Supply increases. I attributed the price drop to that fact of economics.

Ok, so you believe that there was some unlisted tweak by A-Net to let more ectos drop? I do know one farmer monk that says he farmed 80 ectos in 5 days???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nater

Um, didn't you give the solution yourself? AoE nerfed Griffon farming...

So ya really think those ppl just QUIT farming? Look at how many 55 Monk + Necro SS teams are in ToA now. These people are just farming the UW more, hence there's more ecto's.

Your putting words in my mouth? No I don't think they quit? but yes I did suspect that the fact it is harder to earn money farming would mean less money being manufactured, therefore prices would drop (like a recession). But yes a useful point you raised, which is that people who were farming griffons (for gold and items) have now switched to UW ecto runs. .

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimo the healer

My initial theory after Nov 10th nerf was that ectos would rise.
Even today, it's alot more difficult to farm for ectos as it was before nov 10th.
Hence, ectos should go up.

But one thing we don't realize are people playing this game professionally.
Who knows how many ectos they have harvested before nov 10th.
Now that Chapter 2 is coming out and hints of ectos being phased out, they want to get rid of their stock.
Using this logic, I would assume ecto prices would continue to drop.

Hi thats an angle I didn't consider, the next version of GW may have some new uber armor that doesn't use ectos

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixdartbart

Solo Griffon farming trashed???
Pop into Augury Rock international dis1 sometime and look at the sweat shop monks streaming out the door.
It is really a funny site to see and maybe someone can tell them about the farming being trashed.

Hi, your reply is a little off-key and sarcastic and there is really no need for that in this thread, this is a discussion about game economics and the variables involved. I do think that the griffon run was *trashed* and of course I have seen the steady stream of Mo/W flooding out the Augury door, no where near the amount there was 1-2 months ago, thanks sixdartbart for being the only person to reply who made no effort to *contribute* to a normal discussion.

Lerppu · Dec 21, 2005, 02:27 PM // 14:27

dunno about other classes but I'am still doing fine when farming griffons with my W/Mo, so I personally dont believe it has trashed...

CKaz · Dec 21, 2005, 02:35 PM // 14:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big.Wayne

Hi thats an angle I didn't consider, the next version of GW may have some new uber armor that doesn't use ectos

I've been basically relying on the fact we'll have better armor choices (at the very least in regards to style) w/o the insane needs fissure demands. Plus I haven't caught any of the market waves (there when the price re-set) or made use of any of the cheese factors (ie 40% enc axe salesmen, now gone) and I don't have the hours (nor desire) to endlessly farm

So I'd say just be happy to know they need new (level 20) armor choices for all classes. I'd be shocked beyond belief if that didn't happen.

Hells Vengeance · Dec 21, 2005, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Real reason: 2 man smite groups.

Big.Wayne · Dec 21, 2005, 03:13 PM // 15:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lerppu

dunno about other classes but I'am still doing fine when farming griffons with my W/Mo, so I personally dont believe it has trashed...

Ok,
I dont wanna ruin this thread because of the word *trashed*, but I was a griffon runner for ages, no problem is killing all the griffs in 6 mins (10 runs per hour) so that was approx 15k/hour + weapons and upgrades. Not sure if there is an uber W/Mo build I have overlooked, but are u saying you can still do 10 griff runs an hour?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hells Vengeance

Real reason: 2 man smite groups.

Hmm,

thanks for adding that *variable* what exactly is the deal with 2-man smite runs? (why better than solo?)

Jetdoc · Dec 21, 2005, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big.Wayne

what exactly is the deal with 2-man smite runs? (why better than solo?

The monsters run from one smiter's AoE into another's AoE. It's a ping-pong match after that.

Big.Wayne · Dec 21, 2005, 03:39 PM // 15:39

Hmmm,

well I guess I must make a decision about what to do with my stocks. .

120 Shard - @3.5K - Invested approx 420K
120 Ecto - @13K - Invested approx 1560K

Total Investment= 1980K

120 Shard - @2.8K - Current worth approx 336K
120 Ecto- @7.5K - Invested approx 900K

Current Investment Worth= 1236K

Total Loss= 744K

That's alot of money to lose! so now I have to decide to:

a) Sit it out, and speculate that *somehow* prices will increase again

b) Cash in quick and cut my loses now! before we see ecto selling @ trader for 5k

What would you guys do?

Kassad · Dec 21, 2005, 03:43 PM // 15:43

Get fissure armour.

Big.Wayne · Dec 21, 2005, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kassad

Get fissure armour.

Yeah good suggestion,

only the sad fact that I dislike the way Fissure armour looks on Warriors (thats the only character I have). . .

My post was aimed more at the economics aspect of ectos and shards, although I got a feeling I'm in one of those situations where I can only lose

1) If I decide to keep my stock, the value will plummet and I could lose 1-2Mill

2) If I sell my stock, the value will suddenly rise

kimo the healer · Dec 21, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

That's not the real reason.
We are all aware a 55 monk can go down with a ss necro.

But, before the first nerf:
You can go down by yourself with protective bond and get ectos easily.

Then, before the second nerf:
You can go down by yourself with protective spirit/Balt aura and get ectos easily.

Now, because of the nightmares & AoE nerf:
You need an ss necro to come along.
Twice the man power, therefore half the reward.
How does that increase price of ectos?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hells Vengeance

Real reason: 2 man smite groups.

Nater · Dec 21, 2005, 04:17 PM // 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimo the healer

That's not the real reason.
We are all aware a 55 monk can go down with a ss necro.

But, before the first nerf:
You can go down by yourself with protective bond and get ectos easily.

Then, before the second nerf:
You can go down by yourself with protective spirit/Balt aura and get ectos easily.

Now, because of the nightmares & AoE nerf:
You need an ss necro to come along.
Twice the man power, therefore half the reward.
How does that increase price of ectos?

It doesn't, it the price, because it means more ecto's!

I had never been to the UW before, but once I heard of this 55 Monk + SS Necro teams I got the gear for my monk, and peeled him away from Sorrows Furnace for one night only. My first trip down I died, 2nd trip down I killed 4 Aataxes before dying. 2 of them dropped ecto's!!! I went 2 more times and got my ass handed to me again, and said forget it. Mind you this was all solo.
I didn't have the patience, and SF seemed so much easier, so my nooblet self went back there where it belongs.

But think of how many ppl built their 55 Monk/SS Necro and are still sticking it to the UW?

Dec 21, 2005, 02:32 AM // 02:32	#1
Big.Wayne Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: W/Mo	Economics & Ectos! Greetings, One of the things that I like about Guild Wars is the way there is a kinda virtual stock market, with prices on materials rising and falling. I been quietly beaver???ing away on my ecto collection for a month or two, and no I don't have a solo farmer monk, in fact I have never found one single ecto ever!, so I have been buying them for approx 12-13K each After the last big update (AoE Flee!) I was wondering what would happen to the price of ectos?. I have not studied any form of economics before, but I have some basic common sense and understand a little about supply and demand etc. . My personal thoughts at the time of the last update was that ecto (and shard) prices would fall, reason being that solo (griffon) farming was now trashed and therefore a steady stream of gold/plat were no longer available, and therefore people wouldn't have as much money to throw around. . I spoke to one of my mates in real life (who also plays a little GW and WoW) who works in the money markets (FX), I explained to him the situation and it was his guess that the prices on Ecto would rise because now there were harder to manufacture (farm) since the update. . Now I have seen Ectos sink in price to about 10-11k ish and I am not sure why? Some people have mentioned something about a price reset where the price of ectos were lowered by A-Net to 250gp of something? Is this true or just some web-legend? Has the demand for Fissure armour slowed down so people no longer need as many ecto/shards? Did the drop rate for ectos suddenly increase (tweak by A-net?) Thanks in advance for any useful replies/comments, just trying to understand the variables involved

Dec 21, 2005, 02:44 AM // 02:44	#2
Malevolent Anarchy Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Australia Guild: OBD Profession: Mo/Me	I have no idea but now the price is falling below 10 per, its hard to find a buyer for 10k+ per ecto right now, but I wonder if the introduction of new classes will significantly effect the price, i mean its 2 whole new sets of fissure armour and how many people will play as the new characters...

Dec 21, 2005, 02:44 AM // 02:44	#3
raindrops Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Dec 2005 Profession: E/N	I think that the closer we get to the release of chapter 2, the more you'll see the value of ectos drop. Right now, I think people are selling off their ectos and putting the gold into other items, hoping that they will increase in value with chapter 2. When I buy ectos these days, it's only temporarily for a trade of more than 100k.

Dec 21, 2005, 02:58 AM // 02:58	#4
Valerius Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Canada Profession: R/	perfect time to be buying FoW armor i'd say and yes... there was a market reset by ANeT awhile back... i'm talking 3-4 months ago... everything started off as 100g at the traders... including Sup Vigs/Absorb... ecto/shards/rubies/sapphires... many became millionares in minutes :P

Dec 21, 2005, 03:53 AM // 03:53	#5
eom Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2005 Profession: W/N	heh...ask your buddy about liquidity. has the price declined gradually over a month, or so, or was there a big dip in the last week? because there's a 17 page thread you might want to skim.

Dec 21, 2005, 04:10 AM // 04:10	#6
ShadowStorm Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Take me where I cannot stand. Guild: The Better Part of Valor Profession: W/N	I think with the last patch (The AoE patch) A-Net made a few unlisted tweaks to the drop rates in an effort to reduce the prices of certain uber-expensive items. People have been reporting finding more and more black dyes and ectos since the patch was released. More ectos to go around means the price falls. Demand remains constant while Supply increases. I attributed the price drop to that fact of economics. I've also noticed the price of Sup Vigors droping too. Before the patch, they were hovering around 70K, now they're down to 45/47K. I think they did the same thing with the Sup Absorbs, but the Sup Absorbs are so high that everyone is keeping them away from the traders so they can make a few extra K selling to other players.

Dec 21, 2005, 04:16 AM // 04:16	#7
Nater Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Illusion Of Skill Profession: W/	Um, didn't you give the solution yourself? AoE nerfed Griffon farming... So ya really think those ppl just QUIT farming? Look at how many 55 Monk + Necro SS teams are in ToA now. These people are just farming the UW more, hence there's more ecto's. My guess anyways.

Dec 21, 2005, 07:57 AM // 07:57	#8
kimo the healer Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: ucsb Profession: E/Me	My initial theory after Nov 10th nerf was that ectos would rise. Even today, it's alot more difficult to farm for ectos as it was before nov 10th. Hence, ectos should go up. But one thing we don't realize are people playing this game professionally. Who knows how many ectos they have harvested before nov 10th. Now that Chapter 2 is coming out and hints of ectos being phased out, they want to get rid of their stock. Using this logic, I would assume ecto prices would continue to drop. Has anyone noticed the people selling ectos in toa/la/ascalon/droknars? If you don't know where prices of ectos/shards are heading, look to them. Like it or not, they control the market.

Dec 21, 2005, 08:30 AM // 08:30	#9
sixdartbart Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Peace Machine GRRR [DiE] Profession: W/N	Solo Griffon farming trashed??? Pop into Augury Rock international dis1 sometime and look at the sweat shop monks streaming out the door. It is really a funny site to see and maybe someone can tell them about the farming being trashed.

Dec 21, 2005, 02:27 PM // 14:27	#11
Lerppu Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Dec 2005	dunno about other classes but I'am still doing fine when farming griffons with my W/Mo, so I personally dont believe it has trashed...

Dec 21, 2005, 02:59 PM // 14:59	#13
Hells Vengeance Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Eight Deadly Sins Profession: W/Mo	Real reason: 2 man smite groups.

Dec 21, 2005, 03:39 PM // 15:39	#16
Big.Wayne Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: W/Mo	Hmmm, well I guess I must make a decision about what to do with my stocks. . 120 Shard - @3.5K - Invested approx 420K 120 Ecto - @13K - Invested approx 1560K Total Investment= 1980K 120 Shard - @2.8K - Current worth approx 336K 120 Ecto- @7.5K - Invested approx 900K Current Investment Worth= 1236K Total Loss= 744K That's alot of money to lose! so now I have to decide to: a) Sit it out, and speculate that somehow prices will increase again b) Cash in quick and cut my loses now! before we see ecto selling @ trader for 5k What would you guys do?

Dec 21, 2005, 03:43 PM // 15:43	#17
Kassad Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: W/	Get fissure armour.